Comments on: Closed is the new open http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/ The Bug Labs blog Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:12:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jon Smirl http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-295 Jon Smirl Wed, 28 May 2008 15:45:04 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-295 Today's cloud computing is different. With a properly designed cloud you can run a tiny cloud all on your local computer, it doesn't have to be online all of the time. When you hook to the Internet the local cloud can migrate to the big cloud. In the 70's model you couldn't run a small cloud locally. The current failure in this model is lack of standardization of the browser and we all know who's causing that. A better platform in the browser would allow the creation of a good cloud based office suite instead of the toys we currently have. MS is actively working to block this. Cloud is the obvious path for the future. It's going to take quite a while for the current desktop monopoly to be broken and rebuilt into a cloud architecture. Today’s cloud computing is different. With a properly designed cloud you can run a tiny cloud all on your local computer, it doesn’t have to be online all of the time. When you hook to the Internet the local cloud can migrate to the big cloud. In the 70’s model you couldn’t run a small cloud locally.

The current failure in this model is lack of standardization of the browser and we all know who’s causing that. A better platform in the browser would allow the creation of a good cloud based office suite instead of the toys we currently have. MS is actively working to block this.

Cloud is the obvious path for the future. It’s going to take quite a while for the current desktop monopoly to be broken and rebuilt into a cloud architecture.

]]> By: Peter Semmelhack http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-287 Peter Semmelhack Tue, 06 May 2008 15:58:41 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-287 Thanks Dave - I'm all for sharing resources. And to your point the 70s saw a huge number of technical advances. I'm not arguing that at all. I'm just suggesting that a world where the rights of a community are dictated by some outside organization, especially a profit-minded one, is vulnerable to disruption. Thanks Dave – I’m all for sharing resources. And to your point the 70s saw a huge number of technical advances. I’m not arguing that at all. I’m just suggesting that a world where the rights of a community are dictated by some outside organization, especially a profit-minded one, is vulnerable to disruption.

]]> By: Dave http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-286 Dave Tue, 06 May 2008 00:03:16 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-286 I think that the computing model that we're talking about here encourages openness, not discourages it. Things like Amazon's Web Services offerings allow anyone to create a reliable, scalable web application without spending a lot of money in infrastructure. Using a shared infrastructure also creates communities of users and developers. Take a look at the SDF Public Access UNIX System for example (<a href="http://www.freeshell.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freeshell.org</a> ). I think sharing of computing resources is pretty neat. If we look back at the centralized model of the 70s I think you'll find very exciting technological advances and much more community than what was going on during the time when individuals had personal computers that were not networked with each other very well. Paul Graham has written many essays about innovation in these early days of computing. This was driven by the community of people using shared resources. Cloud computing will foster innovation and collaboration in new and exciting ways that will make us look back at the time that we didn't share infrastructure as the dark ages. But that's just my opinion :) I think that the computing model that we’re talking about here encourages openness, not discourages it. Things like Amazon’s Web Services offerings allow anyone to create a reliable, scalable web application without spending a lot of money in infrastructure. Using a shared infrastructure also creates communities of users and developers. Take a look at the SDF Public Access UNIX System for example (http://www.freeshell.org ). I think sharing of computing resources is pretty neat.

If we look back at the centralized model of the 70s I think you’ll find very exciting technological advances and much more community than what was going on during the time when individuals had personal computers that were not networked with each other very well. Paul Graham has written many essays about innovation in these early days of computing. This was driven by the community of people using shared resources. Cloud computing will foster innovation and collaboration in new and exciting ways that will make us look back at the time that we didn’t share infrastructure as the dark ages.

But that’s just my opinion :)

]]> By: Peter Semmelhack http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-285 Peter Semmelhack Mon, 05 May 2008 01:44:23 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-285 Alasdair - great comment. I think you're right about the openness trend. As an example, Facebook could have taken a much more closed approach than they did. But it's still a walled garden. Someone there can still, with the flick of the wrist, completely alter the landscape, just like Google can put you out of business by making you invisible to their search algorithm. I much prefer a sort of techno-creative anarchy, where no one controls anything, or at least very little. Bug Labs is about this type of radical openness. Revolutions are not started by big, fat corporations. Alasdair – great comment. I think you’re right about the openness trend. As an example, Facebook could have taken a much more closed approach than they did. But it’s still a walled garden. Someone there can still, with the flick of the wrist, completely alter the landscape, just like Google can put you out of business by making you invisible to their search algorithm. I much prefer a sort of techno-creative anarchy, where no one controls anything, or at least very little. Bug Labs is about this type of radical openness. Revolutions are not started by big, fat corporations.

]]> By: Alasdair Allan http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-284 Alasdair Allan Mon, 05 May 2008 01:00:49 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-284 I think Jonathan is worrying about the wrong thing. What is changing is that we're in the transition phase away from one model of computing and towards another. You should drink some of your own Kool-Aid. I'd argue that the underlying trend is towards more openness, not less. The very thing that Bug Labs is about...? <a href="http://www.dailyack.com/2008/05/death-of-desktop-end-of-internet.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyack.com/2008/05/death-of-desktop-end-of-internet.html</a> I think Jonathan is worrying about the wrong thing. What is changing is that we’re in the transition phase away from one model of computing and towards another. You should drink some of your own Kool-Aid. I’d argue that the underlying trend is towards more openness, not less. The very thing that Bug Labs is about…?

http://www.dailyack.com/2008/05/death-of-desktop-end-of-internet.html

]]> By: Peter Semmelhack http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-283 Peter Semmelhack Mon, 05 May 2008 00:16:21 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-283 Santiago - Thanks for the comment. I don't think I'd equate the iPhone to the Apple II. The iPhone is far more restricted both technically and philosophically. The Apple II was all about hacking, exploring and discovering new territory. Android and OHA embody much more of this spirit and I'm anticipating great things from their efforts. Santiago – Thanks for the comment. I don’t think I’d equate the iPhone to the Apple II. The iPhone is far more restricted both technically and philosophically. The Apple II was all about hacking, exploring and discovering new territory. Android and OHA embody much more of this spirit and I’m anticipating great things from their efforts.

]]> By: Peter Verkooijen http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-282 Peter Verkooijen Sun, 04 May 2008 23:20:20 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-282 Google, Apple and Facebook I mean. They all profit from the same bait and switch. Google, Apple and Facebook I mean. They all profit from the same bait and switch.

]]> By: Peter Verkooijen http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-281 Peter Verkooijen Sun, 04 May 2008 23:14:59 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-281 Absolutely! This is what's been happening for the last decade, a creeping, suffocating online collectivism ("The Wisdom of Crowds!") where no one is allowed to own any intellectual property or charge for their labor and Google is sucking up more and more ad dollars and power on other people's content. I really don't understand why Google continues to get a free pass from the ubergeeks. Absolutely! This is what’s been happening for the last decade, a creeping, suffocating online collectivism (”The Wisdom of Crowds!”) where no one is allowed to own any intellectual property or charge for their labor and Google is sucking up more and more ad dollars and power on other people’s content. I really don’t understand why Google continues to get a free pass from the ubergeeks.

]]> By: bijan http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-280 bijan Sun, 04 May 2008 19:44:31 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-280 great post peter great post peter

]]> By: turn_self_off http://bugblogger.com/closed-is-the-new-open-112/comment-page-1/#comment-279 turn_self_off Sun, 04 May 2008 17:58:45 +0000 http://bugblogger.com/?p=112#comment-279 i think openmoko fits even more into the pc image then android... i think openmoko fits even more into the pc image then android…

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